i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.

when i get back home i make a spreadsheet for everyone with a pretty graph.

you can't look at raw isk/lp you have to look at isk/hr

btw i'm not complaining about tier.

my AMARR dplex alt makes me boatloads of lp and i oplex for fights which when they dont' come i get lp...even at tier 1. vOv.

maybe i should make a second AMARR dplex alt.

then again...my solution to FW is perfect.

You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system.

Guys (and gals)

why all the butt hurt among us?!

If you want to just pvp then go roam or camp gates or camp plex's or whatever.

Unless FW became another null sec smash the timer clone then sov warfare is a pve activity. It is however a pve activity that can generate good pvp. This is a great mechanic IMO that can be utilised by the vast majority of eve players so try different areas of eve.

If you want to pvp and do no plexing then so be it. Don't interfere with the guys plexing for you this just give the FW players a bad image. And truct me as an ex pirate FW players already have a very bad image and I'm afraid to say most of it is justified. If you want to pve for isk the plex away. run missions whatever. Don't give the pvp'er grief just cos they aren't playing 'your' way.

Seriously you lot need to take a chill pill. It's only a game and FW caters for a huge selection of eve players. Just play how you want to play and stop the bitchfest. It's like playing with a bunch of kindergardeners tbh.

I do want to fight for a faction. But I realize that since october the system is purposely made unbalanced.

You like many others draw a false dichotomy. You assume people either want to fight or they want isk. As if people couldn't want both. Most people want both. The winning side will offer both.


I don't join the enemy with my main for a variety of reasons. And I don't plex for the enemies with my alts because I know people in my mains militia are still doing plexing. So out of respect I don't undo their efforts.

I used to be one of those hold outs telling everyone in the militia to try etc. Then the minmatar farming hordes came back from gallente sapce after we hit tier 4. And after that hans told ccp to remove the few economic balances that existed in inferno, because he thought the winning side was being punished for winning too much. So we had the october 22nd patch. Now its clear even to me that the game is broken.

The losing side can sit and wait for a null sec alliance to bail them out, because after october 22nd that is about the only way one side can turn the tides.

All sides hit tier 5 in the old system except for amarr. The problem amarr had was the huge huge huge number of minmatar farming alts that would com and plex the hell out of a system the second it was flipped. With the correction to the farming mechanics Amarr could likely hit tier 5. If they couldn't hit tier 5 then a few minor tweaks woudl have done the trick.

But even so there was a smaller gap between tier 4 and tier 5 cashouts in the old system, than the current tier 2 versus tier 4 we now have.


The October 22nd changes made it more lopsided in favor of the winning side in 2 ways.
1) it gave lp for defensive plexing helping the winners solidify their lead
2) the new payout structure encourages people to join the side that currently is at the highest tier. Under the old system joining the side that was currently at tier 5 meant you would have very little to plex, and you would may have to wait until the lower tier did their cashout and your militia worked its way plexed enough systems for a flip. So your fastest payday would likely be to join the side at the lowest tier.

There is more than "diddly" payouts for the losing side. Faction frigs are still 1/8 the LP cost as regular mission runners even at Tier 1. Run two novices and get a factiong frig. That ain't too bad.

Its one thing for Gallente to say they will let caldari have a few systems back after gallente took *all* the systems. Its quite another for you to say you let them take systems after they already took them.

The tense of the verbs is what is the key difference.


I'm not really sure what you are getting at with the "ME and just ME" bit.